Back in the day an anti challenged me to go into a abortion prevention center crisis pregnancy center to listen to their message. I replied that I was not their audience, which is frightened and desperate young women. But in case you’re curious as to what said frightened desperate young women might hear from those compassionate souls here is a video made by NARAL Pro-Choice Virginia. You all know my stance with NARAL but occasionally they redeem themselves.
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Hahahahahah! Yup, this is right a long the lines of what i was told about abortion, not to mention all the bull shit they told me about adoption. The Pregnancy Crisis Center turned me from Pro-life to Pro-choice based on the manipulation, half truths and bold face lies i was told. At least i am educated enough to research the crap they told me. Which is actually how i found this awesome website. Sadly, some women aren’t. =(
No longer Pro-lies errr i mean Pro- life…
I sent the link to this video out to a few clergy contacts in my local area; some have promoted those crisis pregnancy centers in their Sunday church bulletins and other places. I recommended that perhaps they should check out these centers first to see how the operate and what kind of info they provide to the public (false or true data) before promoting them to their congregations.
My favourite was “every woman who has an abortion regrets it even if she says she doesn’t”. I’ve heard that so often on anti sites.
Excellent video, although I didn’t know whether to laugh or cry.
Hey, at least now I have a psycho-babble based excuse for why I hate to vacuum ;-)!!!
[oh wait a minute, I've ALWAYS hated it]
I don’t even know what to say. Why is The Pregnancy Crisis Center legally allowed to lie? It is so scary to think that this is what young terrified girls are hearing during such a sensitive time in their lives. It is unethical. Pro-life people always ask me how I sleep at night knowing I ended a pregnancy. After watching this, I want to ask them the same question.
Also, I was wondering what your thoughts were regarding the supposed pro-life million dollar superbowl commercial?
Read the newest entry and find out!
It can get way worse than this. I remember hearing on the news about a fake clinic that told women who came in that they “couldn’t get pregnant from rape.” Classy.
My favorite is the vacuum comment.!
Boogedy what? Are you suggesting that this ad that I-probably-would-have- never -seen-had-I-not-stumbled-upon-your-website had some kind of impact? I take everything with a grain of salt and because this ad comes from NARAL’s slanted view I also understand that some truth in advertising may have been fudged as well. I do not doubt that there are some quacks in crisis preganacy centers giving ill advice, but I doubt that this happens as often as NARAL would like for you to think. My friend, who aborted her unborn child at 16 weeks, was told by the nurse in recovery not to be sad and that her baby could be brought back to her again if she wished to have another in the future (like reincarnation-WTF?). That’s pretty whack shit too but I fail to see the point of spreading CPC urban legends.
How do you know they’re urban legends? Also, yeah, I’m not a fan of “the soul will return in another child” thing either but remember, your friend CHOSE abortion. It’s always a choice, always will be a choice, it is not mandatory.
Can someone post a transcript for this video? I have temporarily gone deaf due an ear infection.
Kate, theology is theology. There’s no way to prove it. I actually kind of believe the same thing that the nurse said.
The pro lifers use religious beliefs as their basis for many arguments. What’s your point?
And I went to 2 crisis pregnancy centers in California…..yes, they do tell you crap like that. My friend in Missouri and my friend in Florida had similar experiences.
Check out some of Bernard Nathansons (a former abortionist who admits snorting his own child) statements…he was one of the co-founders of NARAL. It originally stood for National Association for the Repeal of Abortion Laws.also Google former abortionists and you will discover that lies are told on both ends. And how sad it is…..and webmaster, what is your stance with NARAL? All I know about them these days is that they are very pro choice( I am doing my best here to show respect so I will not use terms like pro-abortion). I called Planned Parenthood when I possibly faced a surprise pregnancy because I want to believe that they want to help women, even if I think that abortion isn’t the way to do it. I watched an abortion in progress at abortionno.org and it broke my heart. But women don’t make the decision lightly either. So what about putting aside finger pointing and look for common ground and perhaps show love towards one another?
NARAL is one of the main reasons INS exists … because if not for their backpedaling and claims that abortion is a difficult and painful choice but then constantly filling up my mailbox, both paper and electronic, with bleating about the latest proposed law against choice that can only be turned back if I send a check right now the abortion issue wouldn’t be in the flux that it is. And yes, NARAL does stand for “National Association for the Repeal of Abortion Laws”, but it was not laws FOR abortion but AGAINST abortion they were trying to overturn. And trust me, the vast majority of abortions don’t look like what’s on abortionno.org, yet another website that likes to go for the grossout. I’ll show love when the more radical of your side stops butting themselves into situations that are none of their business … you know, like standing outside clinics telling women they’re murderers or that they don’t know what’s good for them.
Oops meant he aborted his own child…and says that NARAL lied about the number of women who died from illegal abortion….
I realize that when NARAL was founded they were trying to repeal abortion laws….before ROE vs WADE….I don’t get the impression that NARAL wants the word out that their co- founder is pro life and can understand why…but at least Planned Parenthood gives their own point of view about Bernard. It does seem like one main reason lots of people are pro-choice is women dying from back alley abortions. The fact that NARALs co-founder states that the numbers were fabricated speaks volumes….and I mean it when i say I find it more credible coming from a man who performed thousands of abortions…makes me wonder how peoples opinions would shift or not were this fact made more public. And you make an excellent point when you said most abortions are done first trimester and not like on that site…I still find it sad…but those women arent going through a cakewalk either….far from it for sure! also saw silent scream way back when, and recently too. That fetus, the way it was moving appeared distressed…and the pictures too on abortionnos website had a declaration by an abortionist as to fetal gestation and whatnot. And it is wrong to picket and shout at women as they go in….some of whom, surprise surprise…AREN’T HAVING ABORTIONS!!! Judgemental, mean and wrong. Have heard of cases where sidewalk counseling has changed a womans mind, but ask her once ONLY, and not in her face otherwise youre not doing anyone any favors. As far as love goes…well I haven’t always had love for the other side either…so I’m learning too.
Also when I made the comment about love and finger pointing I didn’t mean you specifically…I was referring to the anger and resentment I see in pickets debates blogs, etc….well that’s what I get for posting when tired. So if you thought I meant you Patricia, singling you out, I apologize. My honest opinion is I think some women get abortions for selfish reasons others not…but I don’t think you or anyone else who has one is evil.
P.S…..doesn’t NARAL stand for National Abortion Rights Action League now?
Robin, You are correct about what Naral monicker stands for That is what I saw on their letterhead when I joined App. 20 years ago.
My question is why is it anyone’s business whether a woman’s purpose is selfish or not? Selfish can encompass a meriad of reasons, depending on one’s viewpoint. Who of us can claim to be absolute arbitrars on who is being selfish and on what grounds?
All are individuals who live their lives, meaning they make good decisions as well as bad ones. All have the right to correct bad decisions to the best as they see.
That may mean women found themselses pregnant when they did not intend to do so. That may mean they became pregnant when they were FORCED to do so. That also means they became Pregnant when they were abused at whatever age.
It all comes to one central point. Does a woman have a voice in what comes after the initial encounter? Does she become a simple incubator? Does she surrender her choice in the matter to be resolved by outside influance? If the answer is yes then she gives herself up as a thinking,living, human being, for the benefit of what is in her uterus. The exchange is absolutely scewed
It has historically been an easy choice for us men. Of cource it should be as we say, but I say ignore that crap. That time has come and gone for a long while.
What should be as men say? Wasn’t quite positive as to what you were referring to. I agree that it isn’t anyone’s business whether someone’s actions are selfish or not as long as said actions aren’t unlawful immoral or harming someone else. I believe that abortion is the taking of an innocent human life and NO ONE has the right to do that….I’m not including rape mothers life etc. If you were talking about infanticide or stealing for example you wouldn’t say well that’s their right and they’re giving up themselves as thinking living human beings for the benefit of their victims. If a woman doesnt want kids then use something called birth control…pregnancy is easy to prevent. When I had my kids I was still a wife a friend a lover …..much more than an incubator…..is it the fetus’s fault that they’re helpless and dependent?
Oh, so as long as the woman didn’t enjoy the sex, e.g. rape, it’s okay to abort in your opinion? Gee, thanks, Robin, that’s awfully white of you to give women that caveat. If we were playing Anti Bingo with you someone would have won the hundred bucks and the ham a while ago. You’re just the condescending type of anti rather than the DIRTY BABYKILLER WHORE name-calling type. Not that there’s much difference, both insult women’s intelligence. I guess it’s too much to ask that you concern yourself with the millions of born children who are suffering abuse, neglect, and poverty rather than the potential of insensate fetuses. No, it’s just easier to moon over the “helpless and dependent” fetuses. Like born children aren’t helpless and dependent either, you hypocrite.
Uhmmm, nope. Patricia if you would read my posts again PLEASE tell me where I said my opposition to abortion had anything to do with whether or not the woman enjoyed the sex. There are fundamentalist right-wing Christians who feel sex is for enjoyment..(ooooh and brace yourself baby I know of THREE pastors, yes folks you heard it right PASTORS who used birth control!!!!!) I have “the lady her lover and lord “cd by TD Jakes as proof. HOT STUFF HONEY!!!!! What I said my opinion was, is I oppose abortion because I feel its the taking of an innocent human life. As far as the rape comment I have no clue what you mean about the white of me comment but FYI…..I’m not racist my best friend is black.
I have mixed feelings about the rape thing but I never said abortings okay then. NEVER!! You just assumed that because other “antis” think so most likely. Well haven’t I proven I’m different than a lot of other “antis” ( though if you’re saying um anti-choice id like to know how.) Last I checked the only so- called choice I oppose is abortion. And I talked about being loving apologizing to you in one post and saying you’re not evil. And debating lovingly? And pointing the finger at people me included? Especially me???? I never meant to be condascending…how was I? I WILL APOLOGIZE if you show me where. And i am pro-woman. I have. had countless arguments with my dad and husband about chauvanism…women not being second class etc. I also know that born children are helpless and dependent too. That’s why I went to Tijuana in an orphanage and sat with a developmentally disabled boy born with water on his brain and cried for him and that I couldnt take him home. Thats why I work in a preschool with children who were poor and hugged. and kissed children who didn’t always get a bath or a meal at night. And its also why I got scared when I got laid off my job because I have 2 beautiful helpless and dependent children who rely on me alone. Husband and me are seperated and he’s on disability from a back injury case. I apologize Patricia for anything I said that was out of line hurtful to you or anyone else. If we. knew each other personally I would offer friendship. What I will offer you and other pro choicers is love and further apologies for any cruel actions words said from our side. I mean no ill will for anyone.
What did you not understand by my saying ignore what men have to say? As a man I am saying it is all about you women who have the final say in regards to your personal decisions. The IMPORTANT part is that you have to have decide BEFORE
Patricia I meant that cd as proof some Christians enjoy sex not birth control. Oops. And Robert I was unclear on your comment because of how you worded it. And yes abortion is a serious enough issue that people should decide whether they’re ready for kids before having sex and get the birth control going before then and use 2 methods possibly. If more people would be responsible I highly doubt the abortion rate would be as sickeninly high as it is…..
Patricia I’m really interested to hear your response…do you still think I’m condascending and a hypocrite? Hope not. I’ve tried really hard to be nice and your response hurt my feelings.
“I believe that abortion is the taking of an innocent human life and NO ONE has the right to do that….I’m not including rape mothers life etc.”
So again, abortion is okay if the woman didn’t like the sex or is on the verge of death in your mind. Your words, you’re hanging yourself with them. For about the thousandth time NO. FORM. OF. CONTRACEPTION. IS. ONE. HUNDRED. PERCENT. EFFECTIVE. NOT. EVEN. STERILIZATION. One of the newest INS stories is from a woman who got pregnant after a tubal ligation. Are you going to tell me that she was the “victim” of bad planning? Why do you want so many unwanted children brought into the world, Robin? So they can suffer and you can coo over them like in your little story above? In your own words you acknowledge that there are pregnancies that should not continue. Who the hell are you to judge which pregnancies those should be? That’s right–nobody. None of your business. If you are truly pro-woman you would understand that being forced to carry an unwanted pregnancy is tantamount to slavery–it’s a favored weapon of abusers. Feelings hurt? Tough. This place isn’t for the sensitive as many before you have learned. Now it’s your turn.
Ahhh this video made me laugh so much. I was intimidated by the thought of those centers until I saw this. They’re not even GOOD lies. I mean, really. The cervix gets stuck open? Goodness knows nothing gets stretched during CHILDBIRTH! Ahaha!
I’m sorry. This just… it’s awful, but it’s so funny because it’s like telling me getting into a car is a great way to get abducted by aliens. There’s a logical disconnect somewhere along the line XD
Uhmmm,nope, again. I had a number of reasons for saying the words, “I’m not including rape mothers life, etc.” and one of the main reasons is that going into that is lengthy enough for a whole other blog. The other reason, like I said on a previous post, was that I. HAVE. MIXED. FEELINGS. I can see both sides of the issue and am honestly not sure whether it should be right or not. You assuming my words mean a particular thing does not make you correct, and most certainly does not make me a hypocrite. That and you calling me condascending are why my feelings were hurt by your response. I have gone out of my way to be friendly because that is who I truly am, and I really don’t think we are going to make progress on this issue snarking and being nasty all the time, for both sides. Also, please quote me where I said that there are some pregnancies that should not continue. I realize not everyone feels this way, but I think that’s best left up to God and not me. As for why I want “unwanted” children brought into the world, it’s becuase they’re human and have a basic right to life. And yeah, Patricia, they all deserve to be cooed over once in a while. And when I was doing that, he was smiling and laughing (I cried after the fact, not when I was with him.)not suffering. Just because a child might suffer is not good enough reason to kill him/her.
Also forgot to put, I do realize that no method of birth control is 100% effective. Too many abortions, however are the result of pure and simple irresponsibility, and that’s not a good reason to end an innocent human life. And when you choose to have sex, you need to be responsisble enough to realize that stuff happens.
Robin,
It’s one thing to have sex, it’s another to have a child. Some people should never be parents. And if adoption were easy, everyone would do it.
your comments have a point, Mary,(a somewhat good point) but just because adoption isn’t easy doesn’t mean it’s a good idea to take an innocent human life. You should decide BEFORE you have sex whether you’d make a good parent or not, or want to be a parent or not, and use 2 methods of birth control if you need to.
Maybe if adoption didn’t cost several thousand dollars and only cost several hundred (like abortion does) more people would be able to adopt!!
Robin, the dead horse came to me on a Ouija board and asked me to tell you to stop beating it. Your points have been made, now you’re just repeating yourself.
Ouija boards are evil…
love to everyone
When are you doing your next blog, BTW? Can’t wait to read it!
I have recently discovered this site and have never posted but I have to say that while I find the clearly dishonest informaton that this video is stating that pregnancy crisis centres are providing to be apalling I also find it very informative. I believe it is extremely important to be aware of the ‘facts’ that pregnancy crisis centres and other pro lifers are providing to possibly overwhelmed, scared pregnant women. It is through addressing the fallacy of these so called ‘facts’ that we will encourage women to make the decision that they feel is best in their particular situation, whether that be abortion, adoption or carrying to term and raising the resulting child, rather than making decision based on fear and misinformation.
Well Danielle, I agree that if the said crisis pregnancy center is presenting false information, we should address the fallacies, as you say. Just keep in mind that misinformation is presented on both sides of the issue, a fact that I find frustrating because it makes it hard to get accurate information. The maker of that video, NARAL, didn’t exactly start off telling the truth. Whether they are now, I honestly don’t know, but I would hope so. And the fact that there is a “resulting child,” as you mention, is one reason why I personally am against abortion.
Oh, when I said “didn’t start off telling the truth” I meant when the organization was first founded, not in reference to the video itself.
Hello, Webmaster.I know that you are going to delete my message and will probably not even finish reading it as soon as you find out that I am pro-choice.You see I believe that the baby should have a choice about whether or not they want to die a horrendous death.Also the mother had a choice before she got pregnant.Most women who have abortions are not raped , reading your stories is evidence of that.Most of the stories start off with “I was dating this guy” or “my boyfriend and I”(hardly ever husband and wife).It doesn’t bother me that you will erase this message because through the power of the Lord Jesus Christ he has used my husband and I to talk to many women about the condition of their souls and help them choose a loving father for their children , Jesus.I just want you to know that just like with Pharoah refusing to let the people of God go, if you don’t repent the judgement of God shall be upon your life and the Lord God of Host shall cut you from among your people. This is not a threat. I love you and so does Jesus and that is why he is givng you another chance to repent.It’s not too late for you. Don’t believe the lies of the enemy. You can still be saved.Won’t you repent and accept Jesus into your heart today before it’s too late? Thank you for reading this.
Ha ha, Carol, shocked you, didn’t I? Where is your blame for the MAN in the situation? No woman has ever gotten pregnant by herself. EVER. Do you have any idea how many MEN pressure their wives/girlfriends into having an abortion? And how many women, many of them having been trained that I Ain’t Nuthin’ Without A Man and badly wanting to keep said “men” (I use the word loosely, assholes like that are not men) go through with it? I don’t believe in coerced abortion any more than you do and if you don’t think this happens on a fairly regular basis you’re extremely naive.
Strictly going by the King James version of the New Testament, Jesus Christ said exactly NOTHING about abortion. I know many who follow the teachings of Christ, to be good to others without accepting favor or passing judgment. And what a surprise, all of them are pro-choice. If Christ–whom I believe existed historically because there’s some evidence but in no way was the son of any god–was alive today he’d be horrified at what people do and say in his name. And he’d be horrified with what you and your husband are doing–judging and moralizing. You’re not following Christ, you’re following your misogynistic pastor–because women TOTALLY can’t pass along Christ’s message, you know.
Well, Patricia, I understand what you’re saying, and I disagree with people who have the idea that women can’t pass along Christ’s message. The church I go to (which can easily be considered right-wing) is pastored by a single woman who has never been married or have kids. I believe that in Acts when it talks about God “pouring out his spirit among all flesh” WOMEN were included as well as men!! The point that you make about Jesus being horrified at some of the things people say and do in His name, I’m sure he is. That being said, Jesus may have said nothing about abortion, but that was spelled out earlier in the Bible in the 10 commandments “thou shalt not kill”. This does not mean, however, that it is our job to condemn anyone, and I don’t feel it’s my place to condemn any woman who has an abortion, just to say why I feel it’s wrong in places like this forum.
—I disagree with people who have the idea that women can’t pass along Christ’s message. —
You should read your own bible.
“Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.”
The bible says nothing about abortion being forbidden. On the contrary, the bible is quite clear that abortion is not murder, even when it is result of someone striking a woman in the stomach to cause her to miscarry. It provides a wholly different punishment that is based solely upon how the woman’s husband feels about the event.Exodus 21:22-23
The bible even includes the murder of male infants and pregnant women. Numbers 31:15-17
Additionally, the bible is quite clear that an infant is not of any value until it has been outside the womb for at least a month. Leviticus 27:6, Numbers 3:15-16
You self-righteous fucks really need to do your homework.
WithinThisMind,
yes, I disagree with people who have the idea that women can’t pass along Christ’s message, like I stated in the earlier post. The bible verse you quoted earlier (but didn’t bother to quote chapter and verse) was referencing a specific period in time. Paul was writing a letter to the Corinthians during a time in which women were not permitted to learn, so women were gaining a new freedom.
As for your commentary on Exodus 21:22-23, you were quoting the NASB version of the Bible (though, if YOU were “doing your homework”) you would know that the updated version of NASB refers to premature birth, not miscarriage.
As far as Numbers 31:15-17, God had commanded Israel to destroy the Midianites completely as a result of them enticing Israelites to worship the idol Baal….though because they took women as captives, the Israelites were apparently not completely obedient…(the Israelites took a long time learning to trust and obey God, though that’s why they wondered around the Desert for 40 years when it should’ve taken them far less time).
Now for Leviticus 3:15-16…this is referencing persons dedicating themselves to the service of the Lord…not value of human beings.
If I’m such a “self-righteous fuck,” then why would I say things(earlier in this post) such as “trying to show respect…so I won’t use terms like pro-abortion?”
If I’m such a “self-righteous fuck,” then why would I mention things such as (earlier in this post) phoning Planned Parenthood for information because I wanted to get both sides of the debate on the morning after pill? (I ended up not taking it because an OB/GYN in my local doctor’s office, who isn’t completely pro-life but who doesn’t perform abortions either advised me that if I was pro-life, I shouldn’t take that pill.) Another reason I called Planned Parenthood is because, while I believe that a lot of Crisis Pregnancy Centers try and tell the truth to women, of course info is gonna be slanted.
If I’m such a ” self-righteous fuck,” why would I say that I think it’s wrong to picket and shout at women going into abortion clinics, even if you had ESP somehow (which of course no one does) and knew all the women were going for abortions, which, of course they all DON”T. I’ve never even picketed an abortion clinic, BTW, and I have lived in towns where there are abortion clinics.
If I’m such a “self righteous fuck,” why would I say in my most recent post that I don’t think it’s my place to condemn women who have abortions?
Maybe it’s because I’m NOT a “self-righeous fuck.” Not saying I’m perfect, even in this debate here, but I have tried all along to show respect and love, and am attempting to do the same even now, though I must say I found your comments hurtful…maybe if YOU had “done your homework” you would know what was truly meant by these phrases in the Bible and would’ve used updated quotations of scripture…
P.S. don’t you think we’d get further in this issue and debate by trying to understand the other side rather than snarking? And, yes I think pro-lifers are just as guilty as pro-choicers.
ya know, WithinThisMind, you strike me as funny….you gave quite a nasty post directed at me when I’ve gone out of my way to be nice, trying to see the other side, pointing out my own flaws, and going out of my way to be friendly even when I’m called a hypocrite cuz someone decides to assume that my words mean something they think they mean, and then you have the audacity to tell me to “do my homework” when it seems all you did is choose to make the bible mean what you wanted it to because you have a nasty attitude toward pro-lifers. Well I’ve tried not to be snarky but t0 be honest it’s pretty tempting right now cuz I don’t feel I did a damn thing to deserve your nasty and snarky reply….
maybe something closer to the truth is that you’re a JUDGEMENTAL JACKASS.
If that’s your thinking, Robin, then there are many MANY people burning in hell because they killed … in the name of God. Ever heard of a little thing called the Crusades? True, it was a long time ago but still.
Patricia I have heard of a little thing called the crusades. I don’t know a lot about them other than other than bloodshed…so if you know if any links let me know…if they killed during those,crusades and didn’t ask forgiveness….then yes they’re burning in hell as you suggest. That being said, God throughout the bible seems to use big messups…such as David who was both aurderer and adulterer.
Of course I’ve heard of a little thing called the Crusades…don’t know that much about them, but if people were killed in the name of God (and I’ve no doubt about it)then they are burning in hell unless they repented. One thing I don’t really understand, though, is the whole idea of being a “pro-choice Christian.” I mean, I know not everyone agrees with pro-lifers that abortion is the taking of an innocent human life, but I can’t honestly say (aside from the “no fetus or embryo has the right to feed off my body against my will”) why. So if you know, Patricia, of any pro-choice resources I can visit or any past blogs that you or others address this, (Cuz it’s hard to tell what’s about what) I’d appreciate it. I came accross prochoicetalk.com and it was a little helpful, but there’s so much snarking on the website and so lenghty it gives me a migraine after a while just trying to follow the conversation. Thanks!
oops meant to say I can’t understand the reasons why.
Robin,
You may want to visit http://www.catholicsforchoice.org/
(Although there are many church folks who don’t consider Catholics “real” Christians, and vice versa.)
Roxanne